Tuesday, 29 November 2011

Proof!!!!!.....Leonardo Da Vinci Was Not A Freemason!!!!!

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M&Mdelite
06-05-2006, 11:49 PM
Does anyone know, or know a site where I can find out if Leonardo Da Vinci was a Freemason or not?

This might be the wrong catagory for this question, but it'll work. ;)
Frogger
06-06-2006, 02:27 AM
As a thirty second degree Mason and former Master of my lodge I can assure you that Leonardo DaVinci was not a Freemason.

The Freemasons are the world’s oldest fraternal organization and have a proud history. Many famous people were Freemasons..


From the Revolutionary War:
Benjamin Franklin, John Hancock, Patrick Henry, Nicholas Herkimer, Henry Knox, James McHenry, Richard Montgomery, James Otis, Israel Putnam, Rufus Putnam, Paul Revere, Isaiah Thomas, and George Washington.


More than a quarter of the U.S. Presidents were Freemasons.

Gerald Ford, James A. Garfield, Warren G. Harding, Andrew Jackson, Andrew Johnson, William McKinley, James Monroe, James K. Polk, Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Harry S. Truman and George Washington.

Other famous American Freemasons were/are:
Bud Abbot, Gene Autry, Sugar Ray Robinson, Count Basie, Merriwether Lewis, Irving Berlin, Danny Thomas, Daniel Boone, Kweisi Mfume, Dave Thomas, |Jim
Bowie, Black Jack Pershing, Admiral Byrd, Robert Byrd, Douglas MacArthur, Kit Carson, Ransom E. Olds, Buffalo Bill Cody, George C. Marshall, John Wayne, George M. Cohen, Mark Twain, Davy Crockett, Robert Dole, Charles Lindbergh, Arnold Palmer, Booker T. Washington, Will Rogers, Jimmy Doolittle, William O. Douglas, Nat King Cole, W.E.B. DuBois, Duke Ellington, Red Skelton, Henry Ford, Bob Feller, Ty Cobb, Audie Murphy, Glenn Ford, Thurgood Marshall, Clark Gable, Arthur Godfrey, Charles Rangel, Jesse Jackson, Barry Goldwatr, Samuel Gompers, Lionel Hampton, Oliver Hardy, Dr. Charles Mayo, Dave Thomas, Roy Acuff, Ed Bagley, Eddie Arnold, Irving Berlin, Joe E. Brown, Eddie Cangtor, Roy Clark, George M. Cohen, Little Jimmy Dickens, Norm Crosby, W.C. Fields, Glenn Ford, Cecil B. DeMille, Clark Gable, Curt Gowdy, D.W. Griffith, Burl Ives, Tom Mix, Harold Lloyd, Al Jolson, Red Skelton, John Philip Sousa, Telly Savalas, Bronson Pinchot, Carl ‘Alfalfa’ Switzer, Florenz Ziegfeld, John Wayne, Danny Thomas, Lowell Thomas, Paul Whiteman, Bert Williams, Mel Tillis, Jack Warner and Mel Tillis.

Famous foreign Freemasons include:
Robert W. Service, Emilio Aguinado, Winston Churchill, Major John Andre’, Eduard Benes, Bernardo O’Higgins, King George VI, John Diefenbaker, Robert Burns, Rudyard Kipling, Edward Gibbon, King Edward VII, King Edward VIII, Andre Citroen, Alexandeer Pushkin, Louis Kossoth, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Sir William S. Gilbert, Sir Walter Scott, Joseph Hayden, Edward Jenner, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Jacques Montgolfier, Frederick The Great, Jean Sibelius,
Imagineer
06-06-2006, 02:33 AM
The correct answer to this question is that it is not known whether he had such an affiliation. The exact origin of modern freemasonry is not known, but many believe it came out of an organization of masons who specialized in building cathedrals. If so, it is possible that Leonardo DaVinci was a member. He certainly was involved in the construction of Cathedrals as an engineer and artist. Whether he would have belonged to a guild of masons is less certain. He was not one of the laborers, and they would not neccesarily have accepted him, although they might have. I suspect this will remain a mystery, and therefore open to speculation.
Frogger
06-06-2006, 02:48 AM
Leonardo DaVinci could not have been a Freemason since the organization did not exist during the time he was alive. The first known reference to Freemasonry is from the mid-1600''s in Scotland. This was the beginning of Freemasonry or what is known as speculative masonry. Before that date we had operative masonry. This was a loose, non-ritualized grouping of working masons, sometimes joined by various wrights. Since Leonardo was not an actual mason he could not have belonged to this group and since the speculative group did not yet exist he could not have belonged to that group.

Leonardo DaVince, despite what Dan Brown intimates, was not a Freemason.
rendova
06-06-2006, 07:22 AM
My Dad was a 32nd degree Mason and a Shriner, Frogger. Who knows--maybe you 2 fellas' paths may have crossed at one time.

Didn't the Freemasons come to power mainly during the French Revolution?

I know that they are the world's most powerful secret society and, because they are both secret and powerful, and do not require their members to necessarily be a Christian, have been accused of being Satanists and other unsavory things...Hitler came down hard on them, and the Catholic Church is not overly fond of them either.

As for Leonardo, probably unlikely----unless someone is trying to link him to the Illuminati, who, according to some historians, used the Masons as a front.
Vilepagan
06-06-2006, 07:57 AM
Some minor corrections.


More than a quarter of the U.S. Presidents were Freemasons.

Gerald Ford, James A. Garfield, Warren G. Harding, Andrew Jackson, Andrew Johnson, William McKinley, James Monroe, James K. Polk, Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, William Howard Taft, Harry S. Truman and George Washington.

With thirteen Masons out of 43 Presidents, that comes to slightly less than one quarter.


Other famous American Freemasons were/are:
Bud Abbot, Gene Autry, Sugar Ray Robinson, Count Basie, Merriwether Lewis, Irving Berlin, Danny Thomas, Daniel Boone, Kweisi Mfume, Dave Thomas, Jim
Bowie, Black Jack Pershing, Admiral Byrd, Robert Byrd, Douglas MacArthur, Kit Carson, Ransom E. Olds, Buffalo Bill Cody, George C. Marshall, John Wayne, George M. Cohen, Mark Twain, Davy Crockett, Robert Dole, Charles Lindbergh, Arnold Palmer, Booker T. Washington, Will Rogers, Jimmy Doolittle, William O. Douglas, Nat King Cole, W.E.B. DuBois, Duke Ellington, Red Skelton, Henry Ford, Bob Feller, Ty Cobb, Audie Murphy, Glenn Ford, Thurgood Marshall, Clark Gable, Arthur Godfrey, Charles Rangel, Jesse Jackson, Barry Goldwatr, Samuel Gompers, Lionel Hampton, Oliver Hardy, Dr. Charles Mayo, Dave Thomas, Roy Acuff, Ed Bagley, Eddie Arnold, Irving Berlin, Joe E. Brown, Eddie Cantor, Roy Clark, George M. Cohen, Little Jimmy Dickens, Norm Crosby, W.C. Fields, Glenn Ford, Cecil B. DeMille, Clark Gable, Curt Gowdy, D.W. Griffith, Burl Ives, Tom Mix, Harold Lloyd, Al Jolson, Red Skelton, John Philip Sousa, Telly Savalas, Bronson Pinchot, Carl ‘Alfalfa’ Switzer, Florenz Ziegfeld, John Wayne, Danny Thomas, Lowell Thomas, Paul Whiteman, Bert Williams, Mel Tillis, Jack Warner and Mel Tillis.

Seems like a few of these guys were Masons twice. :D
sedan
06-06-2006, 08:32 AM
With thirteen Masons out of 43 Presidents, that comes to slightly less than one quarter.Sorry, Vile. 13 out of 43 is just over 30%. No coffee this morning?
Vilepagan
06-07-2006, 07:00 AM
Sorry, Vile. 13 out of 43 is just over 30%. No coffee this morning?

Apparently not...either that or I was drinking the same brand as Frogger. :)

Math never was my strong suit.
Frogger
06-07-2006, 07:31 AM
I left out Buchanan so there were actually fourteen Presidents who were Masons.
Frogger
06-07-2006, 07:35 AM
Here is a revised list of famous (and in some cases infamous) Mason. I have included only names of those I thought would be familiar to most posters. The Masons have had an impact on society far in excess of their numbers.

Bud Abbot, Roy Acuff, Sherman Adams, Buzz Aldrin, Rex Allen, Salvator Allende, Louis Armstrong, Major John Andre’, Benedict Arnold, Eddie Arnold, Hap Arnold, Cliff Arquet, Elias Ashmole, John Jacob Astor, Mustapha Kemal Ataturk, John James Audubon, Red Auerbach, Stephen Austin, Gene Autry, Johann Christian Bach, Frederick Bartholdi, Count Basie, Birch Bayh, Francis Bellamy, Eduard Benes, Thomas Hart Benton, Lloyd Bentsen, Irving Berlin, Silvio Berlusconi, Hugo Black, Eubie Blake, Mel Blanc, Simon Bolivar, Julian Bond, Daniel Boone, Gutzon Borglum, Ernest Borgnine, Jim Bowie, Omar Bradley, Joseph Brant, John C. Breckenridge, George Brent, Joe E. Brown, John Brown, William Jennings Bryan, James Buchanan, Luther Burbank, Edmund Burke, Robert Burns, Admiral Richard E. Byrd, Robert Byrd, Alfred Lord Byron, Sir Malcolm Campbell, Cantinflas, Eddie Cantor, Kit Carson, Giovani Casanova, Marc Chagal, Claire Chennault, Walter P. Chrysler, Winston Churchill, Andre Citroen, Roy Clark, Henry Clay, William Clark, Samuel Clemens, De Witt Clinton, Ty Cobb, Buffalo Bill Cody, George M. Cohan, Nat King Cole, Samuel Colt, Lord Cornwallis, Davy Crockett, Norm Crosby, William Cushing, Cecil B. DeMille, Jack Dempsey, Porfirio Diaz, Little Jimmy Dickens, John Diefenbaker, Robert Dole, General Jimmy Doolittle, William O. Douglas, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, W.W.B. DuBois, King Edward VII, King Edward VIII, Duke Ellington, John Elway, Sam Ervin, Bob Evans, Eberhard Faber, Douglas Fairbanks, Admiral David Farragut, Bob Feller, W.C. Fields, Sir Alexander Fleming, Gerald Ford, Glenn Ford, Henry Ford, General Nathan Forrest, Benjamin Franklin, Frederick II ‘The Great”, Frogger, Robert Fulton, Clark Gable, James A. Garfield, Giuseppe Garibaldi, Richard Gatling, King George IV, King George V, Elbridge Gerry, Edward Gibbon, Hoot Gibson, Sir William S. Gilbert, King C. Gillette, Arthur Godfrey, Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Barry Goldwater, Samuel Gompers, Freeman Gosden, Curt Gowdy, D.W. Griffith, Virgil “Gus” Grissom, Joseph Guillotin, Lionel Hampton, John Hancock, Warren G. Harding, Oliver Hardy, John M. Harlan, William S. Hart, Franz Joseph Haydn, Jesse Helms, Patrick Henry, Matthew Henson, Nicholas Herkimer, Lewis Hershey, Charles C. Hilton, J. Edgar Hoover, Rogers Hornsby, Tim Horton, Harry Houdini, Sam Houston, Hubert H. Humphrey, King Hussein of Jordan, Ferlin Husky, Burl Ives, Andrew Jackson, Jesse Jackson, Edward Jenner, Andrew Johnson, Jack Johnson, Al Jolson, Buck Jones, John Paul Jones, Benito Juarez, Kings Kamehameha III, IV, and V, Kenneth Keating, Emmit Kelly, Jack Kemp, Alexander Kerensky, Rudyard Kipling, Lord Kitchener, Henry Knox, Lajos (Louis) Kossuth, Sebastian Kreske, Marquis de Lafayette, Fiorello LaGuardia, Curtis LeMay, Gotthold Lessing, Meriwether Lewis, Elmo Lincoln, Charles Lindbergh, Sir Thomas Lipton, Franz Listz, Harold Lloyd, Trent Lott, General Douglas MacArthur, Rowland Hussey (R.H.) Macy, George C. Marshall, Thurgood Marshall, Harpo Marx, Dr. Charles Mayo, Willie Mays, Fredrick Maytag, Giuseppe Mazzini, William McKinley, Lauritz Melchior, Andrew Mellon, Dr. Karl A. Menninger, Dr. William Menninger, Franz Anton Mesmer, Kweisi Mfumi, Tom Mix, John Molson, James Monroe, Jacques Montgolfier, Joseph Montgolfier, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Audie Murphy, James Naismith, Sam Nunn, James Ogelthorpe, Bernardo O’Higgins, Ransom E. Olds, James Otis, Arnold Palmer, Reverend Dr. Norman Vincent Peale, Admiral Robert E. Peary, Emperor Pedro I of Brazil, J.C. Penny, Claude Pepper, Matthew Perry, General John (Black Jack) Pershing, General George E. Pickett, Zebulon Pike, Bronson Pinchot, Joel R. Poinset, James K. Polk, Alexander Pope, Dick Powell, Tyrone Power, Richard Pryor, George Pullman, Alexsandr Pushkin, Israel Putnam, Rufus Putnam, Manuel Quezon, Sir Stamford Raffles, Charles Rangel, Rendova's Dad, Paul Revere, Elliot Richardson, Eddie Rickenbacker, Branch Rickey, General Matthew Ridgeway, All seven Ringling Brothers, Sugar Ray Robinson, Jimmy Rogers, Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, Natan Rothschild, Leverett Saltonstall, Colonel Harland Sanders, David Sarnoff, Telly Savalas, Sir Edward Schakelton, Charles ‘Chuck’ Schumer , Sir Walter Scott, Peter Sellers, Robert W. Service, Wally Shirra, Jan Sibelius, Red Skelton, Joseph Smith, John Philip Sousa, Leland Stanford, Sir Frederick Arthur Stanley, Harold Stassen, Baron von Steuben, John Stennis, Potter Stewart, Charles ‘General Tom Thumb Stratton, Harry C. Stutz, Jonathon Swift, Carl ‘Alfalfa’ Switzer, Stu Symington, William Howard Taft, Tecumseh, Sylvanus Thayer, Danny Thomas,. Dave Thomas, Lowell Thomas, Hank Thompson, Strom Thurmond, Mel Tillis, Alfred von Tirpitz, Colonel William B. Travis, Harry S. Truman, Francois Marie Arouet Voltaire, Honus Wagner, General Jonathon M. Wainwright, Governor George C. Wallace, Henry A. Wallace, General Lew Wallace, John Wanamaker, Glen Scobey ‘Pop’ Warner, Jack Warner, Earl Warren, Booker T. Washington, George Washington, John Wayne, Arthur Duke of Welllington, Paul Whiteman, Oscar Wilde, King William IV, Chill Wills, Jonathon Winters, General James Wolfe, Grant Wood, Steve Wozniak, Ed Wynn, Brigham Young, Cy Young, Andrew Young, Darryl F. Zanuk, Florenz Ziegfeld
rendova
06-07-2006, 09:58 AM
Frogger, you left out my Dad.
how dare you...slap, slap
Frogger
06-07-2006, 10:53 AM
I don't know his name. Check the post again.
rendova
06-07-2006, 11:55 AM
Well, he wasn't famous or anything, but he was very special to me.

(He mostly just went by "sir")
Evakian
06-07-2006, 12:08 PM
As a thirty second degree Mason and former Master of my lodge I can assure you that Leonardo DaVinci was not a Freemason.
Is there a junior division, because I want in! :D
Vilepagan
06-07-2006, 07:49 PM
My grandmother was an Oddfellow. :D

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  1. @Evakian, yes, there is a junior division it's called the DeMolay.
    Since it's been seven years since this post you are probably old enough to join your local lodge (typically have to be 13 to get online plus 7 years >= 18)
    How to become one? Just ask one. As for other posts relative to the possibility of DaVinci becoming on relative to the formation of the United Grand Lodge of England... those can't be connected. Masonic history teaches us that King Solomon was a Freemason some six thousand years ago....

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  2. mathew is right...if king solomon was a mason...then...masonery was alive in those days...six thousand years ago...leonardo could have been a mason...just because the texts or whatever was found in the 16th century dont mean that it didnt exist in the 14th or 15th century....#just saying

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    1. Are the freemasons and the knights templar not part of the same thing and the knights templar were forced into hiding by the Roman Catholic Church in the 1300's However they both reappeared in scotland in 1600s?

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